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Why puff pastry and not shortcrust?

The single biggest difference between Oven Marvel's chicken pie and the pie most people picture. What the two pastries are, how they behave, and what the choice did to the eating.

The cut edge of a baked puff pastry, showing dozens of thin golden layers separated by air

Quick answer

Shortcrust is a crumbly, sturdy pastry of flour rubbed with fat, used for most British-style pies because it holds a deep, wet filling. Puff pastry is laminated: hundreds of thin butter and dough layers that steam apart into flakes. Oven Marvel used house-made all-butter puff for a flat pie, trading height and sturdiness for crackle and butter flavour.

What is shortcrust pastry?

Shortcrust pastry is flour with fat rubbed into it, bound with a little cold water. The fat coats the flour and “shortens” the gluten, which is where the name comes from, so the baked crust is tender and crumbly rather than chewy. It is sturdy, it does not mind a wet filling, and it holds its shape in a deep tin. That is why it is the default for most British-style meat pies, and for a great many Singapore bakery pies too. If you want to see where the Singapore bakery pie sits among British steak pies, Australian meat pies and American pot pies, there is a wider guide to pie types on Pie Singapore; this page sticks to the one difference that defined Oven Marvel.

What is puff pastry?

Puff pastry is a laminated dough. A block of cold butter is wrapped in a simple flour-and-water dough, then rolled and folded again and again until there are hundreds of alternating sheets of dough and butter. In a hot oven the water in the butter turns to steam and pushes the dough sheets apart, and the butter fries them crisp. The result rises, flakes and shatters.

The counter below shows the arithmetic, which is the clearest way to see why puff pastry behaves so differently from shortcrust.

The lamination counter

Puff pastry rises because thin sheets of butter separate thin sheets of dough. Each fold multiplies the butter sheets. Pick a fold and a number of turns and the counter does the arithmetic.

Fold type

1 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 3 = 81 butter sheets

Butter sheets
81
Dough sheets
82
Layers in total
163

Four letter folds: the rough puff in my recreations. Real rough puff has butter in flattened lumps, not a perfect sheet, so treat this number as a ceiling.

Worked examples (start with one butter block wrapped in dough)
FoldingArithmeticButter sheetsTotal layers
Croissant dough, three letter folds1 × 3 × 3 × 32755
My rough puff, four letter folds1 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 381163
Two book folds then one letter fold1 × 4 × 4 × 34897
Classic puff pastry, six letter folds1 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 37291,459
Four book folds1 × 4 × 4 × 4 × 4256513

Why dough sheets are one more than butter sheets: when you fold, the dough on the outside of one layer presses against the dough of the next and they fuse, so every butter sheet ends up with dough on both sides and nothing else. That is the same reason six letter folds are usually quoted as 729 butter layers and not 1,458.

What did Oven Marvel use?

Oven Marvel used puff pastry, made in the shop, with butter (ieatishootipost, 2013). Every detailed review agrees. The pie had a sheet of it on the bottom and another on top, and was baked flat. Reviewers who tried to describe it reached for contrasts: light rather than heavy, crisp on top and chewy inside (SETHLUI.com, 2020), not overly flaky but buttery (ieatishootipost, 2009). Several pointedly compare it with the shortcrust, British-style pie they expected.

The butter is the second half of the story. Leslie Tay noticed that the pastry smelled of butter rather than margarine (ieatishootipost, 2013). Many bakeries use margarine or a pastry shortening for puff, for very practical reasons: they stay pliable in a warm room and they melt at a higher temperature, so the layers survive a hot kitchen. All-butter puff is more fragile and much more delicious.

How do the two pastries compare?

Four pastries a Singapore pie might wear
ShortcrustRough puffFull puff, all butterPuff with margarine
How it is madeFat rubbed into flourCold butter pieces folded through doughOne butter slab, many foldsSame, with pastry margarine
TextureTender, crumbly, sturdyFlaky, slightly unevenFlaky, shattering, tall layersFlaky, crisp, less rich
FlavourDepends on fatButterButterMilder, sometimes waxy
In 30 C heatForgivingNeeds chillingNeeds a lot of chillingMost forgiving of the puffs
Holds a wet fillingVery wellFairly wellBase can go softFairly well
Best shapeDeep, tall piesFlat pies, turnoversFlat pies, lids, vol-au-ventsAnything, at scale

Why would a pie shop choose puff?

Nobody recorded Chef Johnny Ngiam’s reasoning, so what follows is my inference, labelled as such.

Because he was a pastry chef. His career was in hotel pastry (ieatishootipost, 2013), where laminated doughs are daily work. Making puff pastry by hand is a skill most bakeries buy their way around. A chef who has it tends to use it.

Because a flat pie is mostly pastry. A tall pie is a container for filling. A flat pie is closer to a filled pastry, where the crust is the point and the filling is the seasoning. The proportions of Oven Marvel’s pie, often criticised as too flat (Miss Tam Chiak, 2019), make most sense if the pastry was what the shop was proudest of.

Because puff carries a peppery cream sauce well. The soaked inner layers that reviewers mention, the chewy bit just above the filling (ieatishootipost, 2009), only happen with laminated pastry. Shortcrust would simply go soft.

Were other Singapore pies made with puff pastry?

Some, yes, which is why “old school” is a slippery label. Leslie Tay remembered the neighbourhood bakery chicken pies of the 1970s and 1980s as shaped like big muffins with a domed top and made with puff pastry (ieatishootipost, 2009). That is one person’s memory, not a survey. Hotel coffee houses have long made butter puff chicken pies: a Hainanese pastry chef at M Hotel told Hong Leong’s Hi-Life magazine that he chills his shaped pies at 1 to 3 C for about two hours before baking, because butter melts in Singapore heat (Hong Leong Hi-Life magazine, 2018). And chain bakeries describe their own crusts in their own words; Polar, for instance, calls its chicken pie crust buttery, golden and tender-flaky (Polar Puffs & Cakes).

What made Oven Marvel unusual was not puff pastry alone. It was all-butter puff, made by hand, in a tiny takeaway shop, in a flat pie, at a price that ended at S$4.

Can I use shop-bought puff pastry instead?

Yes, if you choose carefully. Look for all-butter puff, because the flavour difference is exactly the one Leslie Tay noticed. I have written a whole weeknight recipe built on bought puff, and it gets surprisingly close. For the full experience, make rough puff pastry and read laminating puff pastry in Singapore heat first; the other technique guides for butter puff chicken pies cover the filling and the reheat. The equal-weight rough puff method I use borrows its shape from a Singapore home baker’s Eurasian chicken pie recipe (Singapore Noodles), adjusted for a flat pie.

Questions people ask

What is the difference between puff pastry and shortcrust?

Shortcrust is made by rubbing fat into flour so it coats the flour and stops long gluten strands forming, giving a tender, crumbly, sturdy crust. Puff pastry is made by folding a block of fat into dough again and again, creating many thin layers that separate as the water in the butter turns to steam.

Is rough puff the same as puff pastry?

Rough puff is a quicker cousin. Instead of enclosing one flat slab of butter, you mix cold butter pieces into the dough and fold it several times. It rises less evenly than full puff pastry but gives very similar flaky layers, which is why it suits a home recreation.

Why do some puff pastries taste of butter and others do not?

Because many commercial puff pastries are made with margarine or pastry shortening, which tolerate warm kitchens better. Leslie Tay specifically noticed that Oven Marvel's pastry smelled of butter rather than margarine.

Sources for this page

  1. Oven Marvel (formerly Delicious Muffins): hotel quality homemade puff pastryieatishootipost (Leslie Tay). First posted 11 January 2009, updated 20 March 2015.
  2. Oven Marvel: super duper addictive chicken piesieatishootipost (Leslie Tay). First posted 13 August 2013, page header updated 17 March 2022.
  3. Best pies in Singapore: blind taste testMiss Tam Chiak. 18 June 2019.
  4. Oven Marvel: chicken pies at Sunshine PlazaSETHLUI.com. Updated 21 April 2020.
  5. The art of the chicken pie at M HotelHong Leong Hi-Life magazine. December 2018.
  6. 98 years of handcrafted pastries and piesPolar Puffs & Cakes. Accessed October 2026.
  7. Eurasian chicken pieSingapore Noodles (Substack). Accessed October 2026.

Every source we used, with notes on what each one says: sources and further reading.